Underground forum, open only to members needed?

Well we have the need for an underground here at VBW, when we have a need to fight out a few things between members here we need a place to put the fight.

It looks like there may be some issues and hard feelings that may in fact be dragging themselves from other forums I have posted on and they are going to come this way it seems.

So I am going to ask the administrators to start an Underground forum where we can hammer out some of these "issues" if need be.

What do you guys think?

The forum circuit is a small world and I got a funny feeling a few of my old friends from the other joint will be joining here to discuss matters with me.

Do we need an underground forum here or not?

A dark place where these disputes can be taken to be discussed between "old friends" :confused:

PS: We could call it "The Dark Underworld" or the "Back Alley" :eek: :p

I like the idea.

Yeah it is a great idea, because you could split flame war threads off into that forum instead of locking a subject thread.

Let the guys hammer out issues instead of dragging them from forum to forum for months on end, either that or these flame wars go on forever and folks get banned or quit the forum.

I say if folks want to fight, give them a forum to fight in :eek: :o

If you mean a forum that allows flaming and personal attacks, I want no part of it. Accomodating that kind of behavior is condoning it, and encourages it throughout the forums. Users have email, PM, and various kinds of messaging software to communicate in private if they're unable to do so respectfully in public. Forum growth is very much dependent on making new users feel welcome and comfortable. If the consequence for flaming, condescention, and other forms of intimidation is to move the thread to a special forum, it's open season for the internet bullies.

When you are around for a while you will find the same players on most of the forums after a while and they carry their grudges with them from forum to forum and will never become friends no matter what.

So for these sorts of "old time" forum players there should be a place (special forum) where they can air out these "issues" if need be and sort it all out.

If you do not give them a forum to do this in, they will just do it in the subject threads and will cause threads to be split off or censored or even deleted. It would also be a hell of a lot less work for the moderators and administrators to move fights to this "Underworld forum" and let the **** hit the fan without having to watch or follow the thread.

I have found that if you leave folks to fight it out in a thread (if both parties want to continue a dispute) then the forum will be better off, no one has to be banned and in most cases the problems can be solved if folks can get it off their chest instead of dragging the same disputes from thread to thread and forum to forum.

If I understand right, the Underground forum already exists and is invisible to new members and to all those who don't wish to participate in fights. Right? If so, I agree that it was a great idea.

Of course, if it ever becomes visible to public, than it's a different matter :)

Underground or "Underworld" is exactly that, a secret place for members to view and you could have a sub forum within that forum for "disputes or fights" where flame wars could simply be moved to from the regular forum.

RSS = real simple solution Irony :D :wave:

:wave: Anthony :)

You are certainly true to your promise to be funny and cheer me up now and again. Right now, I think I needed it, as today is going to be a very busy day for me, and I dread to face it. Actually, July is going to be a very busy month.

Thanks! You are simply the best!

So you are entertained by the fighting I see :D :p

Well it can add a lot of life to a forum if it is done right :D

My concern is that things wouldnt end there. People would get ****ed off and leave VBW, or be insulted and that would spill out to the other forums.

Why can we not debate things in an adult fashion?

....will make sure it does, we will present our cases and they will be investigated, both sides reported on and the problem solved. :D :p :wave:

I see no problem with a specific forum to achieve that here. Hell, my entire forum allows it honestly. Narrow minded people like Minstrel, wouldn't do well there, as people are actually allowed to voice their experience, what worked and didn't work, and so forth, and not this Minstrel BS "it's my way or the highway" crap.

You would be surprised actually Joey, the amount of people who email me and join for that exact reason. They are sick and tired of reading the same BS from forum to forum, the politics and niceties, etc etc, they want real life, they want voiced opinions and arguements that remain open minded. This forum does not provide that as yet IMHO. With Minstrel around, I doubt it ever will...

Anthony, I have never had the problem with Minstrel that you describe and we have agreed on very little on the forums, he always put up a great debate on every issue we argued about and most of the threads we were in proved very popular with readers. Many of the threads were in fact blockbusters and were very important to the community (when forums were being attacked Minstrel did a lot of research on this issue) at large.

But in the spirit of this thread you certainly have a right to your opinion as he does also and I expect that you will hear from him soon.

I see no problem with a specific forum to achieve that here. Hell, my entire forum allows it honestly. Narrow minded people like Minstrel, wouldn't do well there, as people are actually allowed to voice their experience, what worked and didn't work, and so forth, and not this Minstrel BS "it's my way or the highway" crap.



That's like saying, and I use this one often, because something works, you should do it. Now that is what I call truely narrow minded. Here's my anology.

I live about 20 miles from Bushnell Florida, now on a good day anyone could walk there, but a smart person would get in their car and drive there.

Just because something works or gets the desired result does not mean it's the best for the job or situation.

Same thing for this hack, it's just not worth the effort.

"Get it?"

Hey, we all have our differences, the forum circuit is a small world, some of us compete against each other (for example Anthony and Minstrel both have SEO forums) and there may be other reasons under the surface that cause some of us to have conflicts with each other.

But since the forum circuit is a very small world and most of us are on a lot of the same forums together there are no real secrets.

Hell even Noppid and I have had moments when we both could have told the other to kiss off forever, but life goes on and if we can show a bit of tolerance most of us can patch it up and move on and survive in this small world we call the "forum circuit".

Look, Joey could have been ****ed off at all of us for getting on his back and could have held grudges against us for getting on him about his hosting situation when we all piled on him in the thread, but he let it roll off of him and moved on for the good of the forum and sometimes we all need to bend a bit for the good of the community.

When you are around for a while you will find the same players on most of the forums after a while and they carry their grudges with them from forum to forum and will never become friends no matter what.


I've been involved in running forums for 10 years, particularly moderation issues. People that carry grudges and can't behave civilly aren't welcome on my forum. They get warned, and if they persist, they get banned. Our forum grew from under 5000 members to over 12,000 in the last 2 years since adopting this policy. Included in that are media personalities, whose posting attracts more members. I contact those people personally to insure they are who they claim. One of the things they always mention is that they wouldn't consider registering at a forum that tolerates the usual flaming and ****ing contests. SEO's don't mean much if you can't attract the membership to generate traffic.

Well I don't like it when an entire forum gangs up on a new member, that is for sure, but at the same time I have seen some great threads that got a **** load of views in a hurry when administration let the flame war continue.

Many times things need to be sorted out where there are valid issues that must be discussed and folks can bring passion to those discussions, I see nothing wrong with that.

So in your opinion, any heated discussion should be censored or not allowed?

LOL, I just realized, I picked on Anthony in the wrong thread.

Forums are such drama. :D

THEY ARE ONLY ****ING THREADS MAN :p :D :wave:

......so take it easy, this is not WWIII.......

......is it guys :confused:

Narrow minded people like Minstrel, wouldn't do well there, as people are actually allowed to voice their experience, what worked and didn't work, and so forth, and not this Minstrel BS "it's my way or the highway" crap.
:confused:

Where did I prevent you from voicing your experience, Anthony? And where did I say anything like "it's my way or the highway"?

If it makes you feel better, I heartily encourage you to mod-rewrite every site you can get your hands on. It won't affect me one way or another. It still doesn't make it necessary or a "fact known by experts" as you tried to present it.

Do what you like. Say what you like. When I think you're wrong, I'll say so. Or would you prefer that I be muzzled? Wouldn't that just be "Anthony Parson's way or the highway"?

Who was it who resorted to puerile name-calling when I refused to agree with you and bow down to your "wisdom" or whatever it is you call it? I suggest you go back and re-read that thread, Anthony.

It actually has nothing to do with that thread Minstrel, it actually has to do with your overall attitude. It is well known that your nothing more than a cranky man who has nothing better to do than attack everybody for what its worth. I am not talking about any particular post here, I am just generalizing about you. Your responses are always written in an angry, I'm right and your wrong tone. You never have anything nice to say, and seem to enjoy belittling every around you. I personally can't stand people like you, hence why I attack you. It has nothing to do with right or wrong, it has to do with your general attitude. Do you think I'm off here somewhere? It seems that everyone else here must have the same attitude, as they always reference you to "Minstrel doesn't like anybody" or "Wow, Minstrel must like you, he hasn't belittled you" or words to that effect. See the point chop? I enjoy publicly degrading people like you, for the sheer fact you seem to talk to everyone as though they are below you. That is BS, and you need to wake the hell up to yourself quite honestly. I do it, because I have the mouth, and mentality to be able to do... I have years of military experience at cutting people back down to size, and belittling, so it can come quite naturally to me, pointed towards those who deserve it. And you my little man, deserve it. If you wake up to yourself, actually respond to people in a human manner, then I would have no grounds to have cracks at you.

I agree with what's said above, we all work on the same forums, we're in the same circles, and generally don't agree with everything each other says, but when all you do is mouth off and intimidate people, I won't sit back and stand for that crap. You want intimidate, my wife will tell you, I do it extremely well, especially when face to face. I seem to use it for good though, to bring those little people like yourself back to reality. Get with the program buddy, be a bit nicer to everyone around you on the forum circuit, and I would most certainly cease intimidation tactics. Keep going, so will I.

You really don't know anything about me, Anthony. You're reacting primarily to a few threads where I have dared to disagree with the great SEO expert Anthony Parsons... and you're not accustomed to that.

Let's not pretend you're defending other people -- you're only defending your damaged ego. And forget the bull about how intimidating you can be, "little man" -- I'm really not at all impressed.

Your years of experience at "belittling people" serves you well when you run out of anything to add to the debate, but it really doesn't enhance your opinions or your reputation at all, you know.

Nor do vague generalizations that don't mean anything at all:

It is well known that your nothing more than a cranky man who has nothing better to do than attack everybody for what its worth.
Well known by whom? Where?

It seems that everyone else here must have the same attitude, as they always reference you to "Minstrel doesn't like anybody" or "Wow, Minstrel must like you, he hasn't belittled you" or words to that effect.
Who is "everyone else", Anthony?

I enjoy publicly degrading people like you... I have years of military experience at cutting people back down to size, and belittling...
Strange. With all that experience, you'd think you would be better at it. Instead, you come across as a petulant teenager.

I actually enjoy the both of you and think that you both have a hell of a lot to add to the community, it is just a matter of you both clearing up the air and getting on with it.

I guess this interaction proves that there really is a need for a private members forum.

One thing that we all need to keep in mind is that you both own SEO forums, this may add to the ill feelings at this time that you both are feeling.

This does not mean that we agree on every thing, if we did the forums would not hold the interest of future readers.

I think that is what we are shooting for in the end, authoring threads that provide value to future readers and members.

Guys I know how hard it is to get on with a member that you don't wish an association with any longer, I have quit forums because of these sorts of conflicts.

Let's hope that does not happen here, because there are some great folks like Irony that this could hurt and we can all do better and treat each other with more consideration.

We can always do this for the good of the community.

I tend to agree with Buffaloed - no good having all the fightings visible to ALL members. An alternative suggestion: The "Underworld" thing should be visible only to administrators/mods and those members who are already engaged in fightings - or have PM'd one of the admins and asked for the access.

The rest of the members shouldn't be obliged to see it and get scared away... just MO.

If my suggestion is accepted, I think I won't ask for access to the Underworld. I'm getting enough of this stuff at IHY on a daily basis (trolls of all sizes simply LOVE us, the team, out there), and I would prefer to be able to come here to relax and enjoy friendly, constructive conversations... hope I'm not asking for too much :wave: ;) :D

LOL, thanks for your concern Anthony, but I can assure you I'm not as thin-skinned anymore as I used to be. Had some training - see above. LOL. It's not as easy to hurt me, as you might think. But yes, I'm a bit tired of all this personal stuff. After all, we are all adults... hopefully.

Well I am as much of a fighter as the next guy, have become famous for it on the forum circuit, Minstrel is also good at forum wars. I have been banned from forums for it, this has hurt the forums and myself, but it happens because folks don't fight fair and dirty tricks are pulled by forum management in many cases and I can't go along with unfair forum management. I don't think that will happen here as Joey is a real smart guy and can handle this stuff because he has seen it before.

Anthony P. is a good fighter also, so all three of us have something in common and that is a starting point Irony :) :wave:

Good luck with it guys!

:D

We all got our shots in, maybe we can move on Irony, I know that Minstrel likes you and that you moderate for Anthony, so let's hope for everyone's good that we can all find common ground.

PS: Anthony, when I said that Minstrel does not like a lot of people, I was kidding, what I really meant was that he does not hold folks in high regard quickly like he did with Irony.

My concern is that things wouldnt end there. People would get ****ed off and leave VBW, or be insulted and that would spill out to the other forums.

Why can we not debate things in an adult fashion?
I agree. Glorifying disagreements between members is very unproductive.

That is the reason for the private members only forum so that the public could never view the disputes in the first place.

That is the reason for the private members only forum so that the public could never view the disputes in the first place.
That would be only if members feed on arguments and come here for the wrong reason. If you wanna see blood, watch TV. If you want to talk about web development related issues in a positive environment, pick the forum of your choice :cool:

A hell of a lot of well known forums have private forums for members, there are also moderator forums and administrator forums.

This is not anything new. The idea is this, if things get heated in a subject thread and folks get off topic you would have a choice, split the fight off into the private forum or let the flame war go on in the subject thread or lock the thread so no one else can post to it.

What choice would you rather have as a moderator or a member :confused:

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Where did I prevent you from voicing your experience, Anthony? And where did I say anything like "it's my way or the highway"?

If it makes you feel better, I heartily encourage you to mod-rewrite every site you can get your hands on. It won't affect me one way or another. It still doesn't make it necessary or a "fact known by experts" as you tried to present it.

Do what you like. Say what you like. When I think you're wrong, I'll say so. Or would you prefer that I be muzzled? Wouldn't that just be "Anthony Parson's way or the highway"?

Who was it who resorted to puerile name-calling when I refused to agree with you and bow down to your "wisdom" or whatever it is you call it? I suggest you go back and re-read that thread, Anthony.
Minstrel, with all due respect: your seo knowledge is very limited. For whatever reason you want to personify yourself as an seo expert. Me and Anthony Parsons have been in this business for 5+ years and for you it's a hobby. You don't know a lot and that is ok. But pretending to know a lot is not. You kill good conversations by criticising without adding anything of value. Anyone can do this. We are here to argue (if we have to) on a friendly basis so that we and the visitors can learn. I personally allow anyone on my real estate forum to disagree with me, but I don't allow bashing or worse. You seem to enjoy it.
I don't know what motivates you to do so, and I really don't care. If certain people (including this administration) support you, I must wonder why.


Nobody benefits from this. Only you for whatever reason.

I am in seo by profession, not by hobby or kicks. It is a serious matter to me. You seem to kill productive sharing of knowledge anywhere you go.

I like your points Anthony C, and have no problem with you, nor Joey. Actually, I love Joey's attitude. Honestly, you me and Joey have argued points on the forum already, though you notice there argued in a nice way, not a spiteful one, such as Minstrel posts. Joey asked me here, so I feel quite honored for him to have me here. As for Irony, it doesn't matter where either of us post, as we don't really affect one another on the forum circuit. If I left, I wouldn't ask her, and she knows that. Same if she left a forum, she wouldn't ask me. We are pretty tight, and honest with each other, so that isn't a problem.

You really don't know anything about me, Anthony. You're reacting primarily to a few threads where I have dared to disagree with the great SEO expert Anthony Parsons... and you're not accustomed to that.

Actually mate, I'm pretty damn accustomed to that. Being questioned keeps a person honest IMO. You don't just disagree though, you attempt to intimidate, and insult, with crap opening statements such as, "what BS" "Rubbish" etc etc etc.

Let's not pretend you're defending other people -- you're only defending your damaged ego. And forget the bull about how intimidating you can be, "little man" -- I'm really not at all impressed.

Your years of experience at "belittling people" serves you well when you run out of anything to add to the debate, but it really doesn't enhance your opinions or your reputation at all, you know.

Lets not pretend, as it has nothing to do with anyone else, it has to do with my opinion of you, and that is, your an old cranky bugger who has nothing better to do than slag off at people, insult them and so forth for your lack of knowledge in online marketing. As for adding to a debate, I add comments, you only add questions. Notice your posts... all you do is first insult, then question. Why don't YOU provide something? I already know the answer to that.. because you have limited knowledge, and especially, limited experience. Your not an SEO, your not an SEM, your not even a fulltime marketer. I was, and have recently retired from all work, so I do know, I do have the experience, and I do belittle quite well. I, and some others who PM and email me, seem to think the same, though they just don't voice it. Not my place to post names either, so don't ask another stupid question. Just look at the rott you supplied below as a good example... nothing more than questions. No generalization, no real input, just stupid arsed questions because you have nothing more to add. You can't assimilate the information, nor the generalization of the debate, so you question everything and try and look important whilst doing it.

Nor do vague generalizations that don't mean anything at all: Added - Look below for vague

# Well known by whom? Where?
# Who is "everyone else", Anthony?
# Strange. With all that experience, you'd think you would be better at it. Instead, you come across as a petulant teenager.

Is petulant teenager the best you can do? Are you possibly compensating for an overgrown head and under size brain? Or maybe its a penis thing? Your embarrassed about it being so small, so you make up for it with general insults... and I'm bigger than you... look up to me! How about dead****, dip****, dickhead, twat, loser... I could keep going for ages with those names. Your an amateur Minstrel, poorly attempting to present yourself in a professional world. You stuffed up the moment you stepped out of the kiddie forum, and into the adult arena.

Oh oh... maybe you got another question in that limited brain capacity?

We are here as members guys, just remember we are also here to share opinions.

I don't highly value your opinions of Minstrel in this case Anthony or TOOT, I have known Minstrel for a good long while now and claiming he knows nothing shoots holes in your posts right off the bat.

Now I can understand that we all are shook up about some recent events that have happened to all of us, but if you guys expect this forum (VBW) to go on and grow we will have to make an attempt to get along or I can see some folks leaving or getting banned.

You guys might not like it, but Minstrel is part of management here, he is a moderator on this board and we all have to respect that because administration has put confidence in him.

So it really is time to get off the "Minstrel bashing train" before it is too late, he is surely a part of this forum and I think a good part of it.

Minstrel has given you guys a great opportunity to state what is on your minds, we understand that you are both mad about recent events.

But to say that he is a no nothing or is not a professional is going a bit far.

OK guys, just leave things the way they are or make an effort to move on.

You know, we have all heard it before and Noppid tried to tell us the other day, just stick to the issues and let's quit the personal attacks before the administration does in fact start banning folks here.

See, there you go again, Anthony Parsons... resorting to adolescent name-calling. What exactly is that about? If that's all you've got, it really isn't worth my even attempting to converse with you or explain anything to you.

As for you Sitetutor, being an "SEO professional" for "over five years", (1) it appears that I've been at it longer than you, in case you think that longevity makes one an expert, and (2) I don't give a damn if you've been at it for 20 years -- if you talk crap, I'm going to call it crap. You're right: It's not my primary income, though it's a little more than a hobby and some of my income does depend on it. But that's irrelevant.

The problem with so-called self-styled SEO experts is that they would like people to believe it's rocket science -- it isn't. How and where did you learn about SEO, Toots? The same way the rest of us did. Except if you'd listen more and chatteer less, you wouldn't make some of the errors you make.

As for you Sitetutor, being an "SEO professional" for "over five years", (1) it appears that I've been at it longer than you, in case you think that longevity makes one an expert, and .
That is not the point I was trying to make. I was referring more to the reason why being on message boards in the first place. I love to be proven wrong if it includes learning something new. I haven't learned anything new from you.

Come on TOOT, as many threads as you have been in with Minstrel and I and you can sit there and say that :confused:

If you do think that you never learned anything, it is because you are not reading anything that others post and only post for postings sake.

Put an end to it TOOT, you are still bitter about the DMOZ issues and seem to want to continue being bitter about it and the result that it has brought about today.

The problem with so-called self-styled SEO experts is that they would like people to believe it's rocket science

Now that I agree with... and can't personally stand the misfits that try and make it rocket science. It does have some scientific factors too it if you get involved with in the algorithmic side of things, otherwise, about 99% commonsense, which obviously seems to be quite lackings nowadays.

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Why don't you let us in on the "details" TOOT?

I would actually like to see something concrete from you for once.

Are you talking about the "details" of your dispute with Minstrel or other "details" that we should be aware of (please let us know when you find out)? :o

Since you deleted it, per the email notification:

You obviously don't pay any attention to detail. I care less about DMOZ threads and don't even think about them unless you (for whatever reason) bring those up.
Toots, let's look at the record, just so people don't think we're picking on you for nothing...

1. Anthony and I were posting in certain DMOZ threads at DigitalPoint
2. you joined in with a number of critical comments about DMOZ and Resource Zone based on your experiences and links to various RZ threads, enthusiastically joining the fight against DMOZ flaws
3. then suddenly you discovered that DMOZ editors were reading the threads at DP, and that the forum owner and his sister were (at least at the time) DMOZ editors
4. you panicked and started sending me and others private messages saying public criticism of DMOZ wasn't the answer and telling us to join you at your real-estate forum and an anti-DMOZ blog to continue the battle in a different way: I declined to do this but wished you well
5. you then returned to the DMOZ threads and starting exhorting people to abandon public criticism of DMOZ and trying to get people to follow you back to your forum and your blog - that obviously didn't happen
6. what did happen is that you flip-flopped back and forth between agreeing with the criticisms of DMOZ one minute and getting scared again that an editor might read what you'd said the next, until it got so tiresome that I suggested you leave us to our strategy and go and follow whatever strategy you were more comfortable with
7. you then accused us, and I quote, of "dragging you back into the anti-DMOZ threads", as if we were somehow responsible for making you post things you later regretted because you didn't have a will of your own
8. more private messages in which I repeated that I didn't think your strategy had a snowball's chance in hell and I would continue with my own strategy but you were free to do what you thought best
9. that and my comment in the forum complaining about all your posts there which always had some sort of link (and I don't mean sig links) trying to lure people back to one of your sites started you posting personal attacks on me and Anthony
10. that was followed by another series of PMs offering me a truce -- in due course I replied that I would like you to stop sending me PMs and that I had no interest in a truce or in being your friend, frankly because by that point you had become a minor irritant like that mosquito that keeps buzzing around your head until you slap it

Eventually, Anthony left the forum and now you follow him about trying to find out where he is postingso you can "join in". The problem is that the majority of your comments are either inane or incorrect or just fluff. If anyone comments on that, you pout or start making juvenile posts with petty insults (much like Anthony Parsons here).

If you really don't care about these DMOZ threads, why the hell don't you just stop reading them and replying to them? Are we "dragging you back in" again? See #7 above.

As I told you before, Toots, you need to develop a spine, make up your mind, and learn to shut up long enough to listen so you can learn something.

Currently established Facts:

Anthony Parsons said you have to be using a mod-rewrite in a forum to get indexed better, but better then what? NO PROOF PRESENTED

PHP ULRs get indexed. FACT

Me and Minstrel Said mod-rewrite is an apache performance hit for forums that have to use directory context for rules. FACT

Now we have name calling. Why, beacause someone lost the debate and turned to name calling.

I "get it" real well and I'm not impressed. You'll find many times where when I was proved wrong I stepped up and gave credit where credit was due for showing me a better way.

NEXT!

PS: as for all this personal dynamic. I could care less if you guys like girls or men, have big or little manhoods or how long you've been on the internet.

I'm dealing with facts. Facts that when presented, resulted in insults instead of counter points proving me wrong with statistics or proof of any kind for that matter.

I'm over caring about egos. If you can't win a debate with facts, the fact is, when the debate turns to discussing personal dynamic or insulting, YOU LOST!

Very well said, noppid.

That must be why you get the big bucks :D

It always gets down to facts and issues, if we can present these things (without bias and do it honestly) we all get along, when one feels they are not ahead in this game and resorts to personal insults that is when we all must question their tactics.

I have told many on forum to get ______!, but that is after they came into a thread and threw petty insults at me first.

So if we can all refrain from further personal insults and present issues and facts we will all get along better on this board and on the "forum circuit" which we are all part of.

OK Guys and Irony :) :wave:

This is not a DMOZ debate where you are debating unknowns and you have to be adult and agree to disagree.

This mod-rewrite debate, that started all the "CRAP", deals with tangable things that can be quantified.

There is no need to be where we are and It's damn ugly.

This is a giant debate all rolled up into one Noppid, it is not just the issue you talk about, it is much deeper than that, it could very well be part of it, but it is not the entire issue as Minstrel explained in his history post. :o

This is a giant debate all rolled up into one Noppid, it is not just the issue you talk about, it is much deeper than that, it could very well be part of it, but it is not the entire issue as Minstel explained in his history post. :o

I don't think there is anything great here. We have some great minds, but nothing that matters being said by them anymore. :/

Forum dynamics is what it is about right now Noppid and how we can improve it for the future of this forum, we got a lot of things off of our chests and it is time to move on for the sake of the forum.

Well we need to fix the "personal dynamic" then. I think it's just that, personal.

I told Anthony straight out why I was calling him out and he didn't attack me per se'. I think he has lots he can teach despite disagreeing on one point of one hack. In the big picture, this idea works in theory, but IMO and because of the lack of statictical proof where forums are concerned, I think it's just not true in this case.

But we aint beating each other up, yet! I hope that's not where our relationship goes based on one disagreement.

If you guys keep dweeling on the DMOZ threads, that is the whole problem right there. I don't. Don't have time for it nor do I care. If you, Minstrel and AnthonyCea do, I suggest getting a better hobby.

The bottom line is that our posts should "add value" to the threads and to the forum itself, if we can't do this I guess it is management's responsibility to let members know that is the goal.

In the end and in the eyes of the future readers all the fighting may improve ratings and some folks enjoy it, but as Buffaloed mentioned in his very intelligent posts it might discourage new members from joining in.

So we must quit playing the ego game because I have left forums when the ego factor took over (I am a bigger star than you) and folks started to discredit each other at every opportunity.

This sort of attitude does not add value to any forum.

PS: TOOT, you and I both know that the DMOZ threads started your problems with Minstrel and that is when you started attacking him for no reason, it is no wonder that you wish to forget about it.

I think it is much harder for us to forget it though.

I agree - I want this to be a source of great debate and maybe through that debate we can all learn something. It dissappointed me that the mod rewrite thread went south because I think we're all missing some element that causes some forums to be spidered better then others. I dont think its the mod rewrite, I think its something else.

If we honestly debate, and keep an open mind, we can learn new methods to improve our forums and our websites, become more popular, and make more money. Thats why we're here isnt it?

Sometimes I wonder Joey....... :p :wave:

If you guys keep dweeling on the DMOZ threads, that is the whole problem right there. I don't. Don't have time for it nor do I care. If you, Minstrel and AnthonyCea do, I suggest getting a better hobby.

I'm trying to discredit the DMOZ crap. My position on that is clear, all of you debating it are idiots. Yep, idiots.

From a corporate point of view, no matter what you think, you give the DMOZ value being on either side. Forget it like a discarded scrap of rotted food. Any publicity is good publiciy at their level of exposure.

As for trying to drag me into that crap TOOT, you're way off base and not even smart enough to see an ally when presented one. I have no clue why I got balled up in your point?

Don't even answer, I really don't care to be honest.

PS: Your MSN is not on or I'd IM you and tell you off! :D hehe

Hey Noppid quit the personal attacks man, I am not an idiot :D :wave:

Sometimes I wonder Joey....... :p :wave:

wonder what

Hey Noppid quit the personal attacks man, I am not an idiot :D :wave:

He'll be alright. I'm just getting in the spirit of things now! :wave:

Joey you said "Thats why we're here isnt it"

I said "Sometimes I wonder why we are here" ;) :D

PS: TOOT, you and I both know that the DMOZ threads started your problems with Minstrel and that is when you started attacking him for no reason, it is no wonder that you wish to forget about it. .
For crying out loud, AnthonyCea: can't you ever let anything go? Who cares? You're annoying everyone with bringing up things that have absolutely no merit and nothing productive to add anywhere. You do that a lot, talking about who banned you where and how injust it was etc. Nobody cares. Nobody here wants to hear about it. I am over it. If you are not, that's really sad. You have had a lot of flame wars in many forums. Stop dragging others into it and trying to keep other flame wars going. If you and Minstrel could only see your own posts from a more neutral and objective standpoint, you would realize how petty you guys are. You are both looking very badly right now. I also understand why your posts get ignored so much, AnthonyCea, because you have nothing to add other than petty stuff. If you notice, Joey doesn't get into this in here. Nor should I. Or anyone else. One day you will be chatting with yourself, because nobody here is interested in your constant re-heating of old arguments. This seems to be a never-ending story with you everywhere you go. I haven't seen you have flame wars in here, but apparently you need to bring up old ones in order to get something out of this.

And one more thing: I am lol about "following people" and "trying to get in on something" accusations by Minstrel. I have no interest following either one of you. I am on many forums including web-mastery which I have found because someone pointed out AnthonyCea being there. I signed up because it is a forum with 1,000 members and started posting (and stopped because it doesn't have the "right flow").

I'm actually happy about this rediculous thread, because for once I see what you guys (Minstrel and AnthonyCea) are really about. You guys cannot live in peace nor do you want to.

And yes, Minstrel, AnthonyCea tried to drag me back into the mud repeatedly. And mud is what the DMOZ threads were. Not necessarily the topics, but the conduct of you and some editors in there. Very disgraceful. AnthonyCea gets a kick out of that, but I have changed my mind noticing you were not any better than let's say RZ's Hutcheson.


It doesn't take a spine to stick with a bad argument for argument's sake.

TOOT, if you don't care why are you living in this thread at this time :confused:

Your posts are mostly fabrications brought about by thoughts floating around in your mind, you actually think that your statements mean something to the readers out here and that is really funny :D

TOOT, if you don't care why are you living in this thread at this time :confused:

Your posts are mostly fabrications brought about by thoughts floating around in your mind, you actually think that your statements mean something to the readers out here and that is really funny :D
Sorry, AnthonyCea, but people take me seriously. No one takes you seriously and my mistake was to try too hard to take you seriously. Ask Joey, Noppid and Minstrel if they take you seriously. I'd be afraid to find out the answer to that one if I were you.

<Eating popcorn>

<Eating popcorn>
Good for you :)

<Eating popcorn>


Pass it over please. This is deep drama. ;)

wonderwhat
Wasn't that the name of a CD by Oasis?

People know you are a serious threat to a decent forum TOOT, that is for sure.

Since you have 3 forums with ZERO traffic and in the past have begged me to post on them you prove yourself a fraud once again.

Funny that you continue to do this over and over and can't see it, TOOT you should see a Doctor, no doubt.

Sorry, AnthonyCea, but people take me seriously. No one takes you seriously and my mistake was to try too hard to take you seriously. Ask Joey, Noppid and Minstrel if they take you seriously. I'd be afraid to find out the answer to that one if I were you.

I take you all seriously. But not as serious as you take yourselves. :p

<Sipping on my soda>

People know you are a serious threat to a decent forum TOOT, that is for sure.

Since you have 3 forums with ZERO traffic and in the past have begged me to post on them you prove yourself a fraud once again.

Funny that you continue to do this over and over and can't see it, TOOT you should see a Doctor, no doubt.
Right, AnthonyCea :rolleyes:
If you have nothing to say, bring up old stuff or start insulting. Works well for you and Minstrel, doesn't it.

Since you have 3 forums with ZERO traffic and in the past have begged me to post on them you prove yourself a fraud once again.



What could TOOT do to improve that to organically attract posters?

That's what we're supposed to be here for! :)

TOOT, the bottom line is this, you started making a name for yourself by following my posts at DP, you have done the same since I left there.

I don't need you TOOT, but you seem to need me :confused:

Bottom line here is that you have 3 forums of your own, why follow me and jump in these threads if you hate me so much :confused:

Is there a reason for this conduct TOOT? Do you need attention that bad or do you simply do it because my threads generate interest and you wish to continue to use me as a stepping stone to make a name for yourself out here?

Do you think that these very smart webmasters on the forum circuit are ignorant to what you're doing?

What could TOOT do to improve that to organically attract posters?

That's what we're supposed to be here for!
The problem is lack of solid content (see that other thread here at vbwebmaster.com (http://www.vbwebmaster.com/forums/showthread.php?t=920)). I think Anthony and I have both tried to point that out to Toots in the past. If you put up a forum or blog that has nothing in it but fluff or one post contradicting your previous post, no one is going to take you seriously. What you may get is members signing up but they'll post once or twice and never return, or you end up with a teen chat type of forum that no one but chat fans want to inhabit.

Thank you for the advice. But once again you are assuming something here. My real estate forum is doing well. And no, AnthonyCea, I wouldn't want you in there, sorry.
And how exactly I need you is not clear to me either.

But that's ok, your fantasy world seems to be one that you enjoy living in.

Great TOOT, so when do you quit posting in my threads :confused: :D :wave:

Great TOOT, so when do you quit posting in my threads :confused: :D :wave:
lol like I said :rolleyes: Get back to reality AnthonyCea. You didn't say anything worth reasponding to, nor did I until you've addressed me directly. I was responding to Irony's original post, then Minstrel addressed me and for some reason you've instigated as you always do. How is this or any thread yours? And how do you tell people not to post in them in a public forum?

Seriously: maybe Minstrel can give you a free evaluation as a friend, I think you need it. That is assuming you are being serious about your last post.

So to you I am a franchise that you are unwilling to give up, sort of a publicity machine that you intend to fully take advantage of to expose your sites long term. :confused:

I am not worth addressing but you do it on a daily basis then tell me I am the one that needs a Doctor :D

TOOT, have you ever thought of doing a reality show?

It would be a big hit on MTV because you are out of touch with reality for sure. :wave:

Whatever you want to believe, AnthonyCea. You can obviously do this all day. As long as I get email notifications, why not respond. I came here to respond to Irony's post which captured my attention. Your posts really don't. But like I've said: live and let live.

I don't think you or Minstrel should destroy good threads with bringing personal vendettas into them, but that is not for me to decide, but rather the administration here.

I'd like to bury this whole thing, because it gets old. If you can't or don't want to do it, that's you guys' problem. I can see why so many forums have banned you, AnthonyCea. If you guys talk about quality of posts, look at your own and ask yourselves what you are contributing here.

Uh, Toots, Anthony did start this thread...

Irony's thread is somewhere else. And the off-topic posts from that one were split off to maintain the integrity of her article.

Now please stop this nonsense about how people drag you into threads and make you post. Just go away and don't post and it will all be fine.

Besides, I think someone needs you in your highly successful real estate forum... or maybe at the blogparty teen chatroom...

Yeah, OK TOOT :wave:

TOOT, you have more important matters to take care of, you are the greatest poster in the history of DP and the most popular poster of all time over there.

Can you tend to your business :confused:

Those members over there and the forum will not make it without you :o

Uh, Toots, Anthony did start this thread...

Irony's thread is somewhere else. And the off-topic posts from that one were split off to maintain the integrity of her article.

Now please stop this nonsense about how people drag you into threads and make you post. Just go away and don't post and it will all be fine.

Besides, I think someone needs you in your highly successful real estate forum... or maybe at the blogparty teen chatroom...
Is belitteling people your only form of arguing, Minstrel? Do you have no better way to communicate. As a psychiatrist I would think that you can do a lot better.

My bad, Anthony did start the thread and I chipped in to respond to the point Joey was making and agree that underground forums are not the best way to go about business unless you don't want the search engine spiders to crawl this section for whatever reason.


About the "go away" part: you accuse Anthony Parsons of having a "my way or the highway" attitude. Now look at what you're saying in here. Talking about the pot and the kettle. If you guys enjoy telling each others how right you are (you and AnthonyCea), that's fine, but don't get offended when others don't buy into it.

*sigh*

You really don't get it at all, do you, Toots?

Pity it all didn't happen underground.....

TOOT, remember when you said in the DMOZ threads (after you left a link in the thread at DP to your forum) that you were going to take the conversation with the DMOZ editor that you made friends with to your forum.

Well can you finally follow through with that and take all of your conversations to your forums and build content over there, do us and yourself a big favor :o :wave:

*sigh*

You really don't get it at all, do you, Toots?
No I don't Minstrel, please fill us in, oh wise one.

TOOT, remember when you said in the DMOZ threads (after you left a link in the thread at DP to your forum) that you were going to take the conversation with the DMOZ editor that you made friends with to your forum.

Well can you finally follow through with that and take all of your conversations to your forums and build content over there, do us and yourself a big favor :o :wave:
What are you talking about?

Just forget it TOOT, I am going to give up on you, you can't even remember your own actions.

Minstrel no need to find the thread or link to it, just give up on TOOT man.

Just forget it TOOT, I am going to give up on you, you can't even remember your own actions.

Minstrel no need to find the thread or link to it, just give up on TOOT man.
Sorry that you feel the need to dwell. If you have nothing else to worry about, you must be one happy man.

Just forget it TOOT, I am going to give up on you, you can't even remember your own actions.

Minstrel no need to find the thread or link to it, just give up on TOOT man.
You should read your own posts once in a while instead of posting mindlessly. You would see how rediculous this is. Bringing up old things again and again? Can't you ever move on? My own actions? How come nobody else has a problem with me except you two. And how come so many out there have a problem with you, AnthonyCea. If you want to bring up old things, let's look at your record and let it speak for itself.

Case closed :cool:

You see TOOT, that is where most threads end up with your involvement, interesting for folks to read, but they all end up in NOWHERELAND :eek:

TOOT, you're needed at DP where you are the all time greatest poster, please get back before the forum self destructs ;) :wave:

You see TOOT, that is where most threads end up with your involvement, interesting for folks to read, but they all end up in NOWHERELAND :eek:

TOOT, you're needed at DP where you are the all time greatest poster, please get back before the forum self destructs ;) :wave:
wow, now you're doing Minstrel style insults. Nice work, AnthonyCea. Will you ever be able to stop yourself from responding again and again? And maybe then leave one day crying like you did at Digitalpoint? And in the meantime complain and annoy? Like I said, you have a record that speaks for itself. I'm happy you have found a new home where you feel accepted. However, I would encourage you and Minstrel to stop having your personalities discourage new members from posting freely. That is to get back on track when it comes to operating a forum. What is more important than technical issues and seo is how much people like it there. Digitalpoint is great when it comes to that. However it's sad to see that people like you and Minstrel cannot live and operate in peace and rather try to moderate and instigate.

And I highly doubt that this thread is interesting to anyone. If you find it interesting, you must be very bored and have nothing better to do. I would like to see you, AnthonyCea put up your own forum and see how it goes. Maybe you will get a sense of what people really want. Some enjoy flames like you do. Most people don't. You have entertained many at DP, but you have killed many great conversations as well.


But then again, believe what you want. You will do that anyways. As long as you and Minstrel tell each others how right you are, you should be just fine.

So does this mean that you will stay over there full time :confused: :wave:

and btw, the need you feel to hide that you're online is a whole different story. Are you afraid of "being followed"? Like I said, get some advice from Minstrel. Maybe he can find a solution for you where you can live in peace and not worry about the little monsters trying to track you down :D

So does this mean that you will stay over there full time :confused: :wave:
I'm here, there, everywhere, seochat, you name it.

I'm here, there, everywhere, seochat, you name it.

The forum circuit is so lucky :rolleyes:

The forum circuit is so lucky :rolleyes:
Well, you guys have fun annoying each others with meaningless comments. Read your 10k posts on DP and maybe one day the light will come on. Hope it won't be too late, Anthonycea.

I will just ask you TOOT, you remember them all better than I do :wave:

I will just ask you TOOT, you remember them all better than I do :wave:
I think I rest my case. Good luck. And if the voices get too loud, PM Minstrel. I'm sure he will do you a favor after all the support you have given him :cool:

Funny, it seems like yours is the only voice that seems to follow me around in this life, remember you are needed some where :wave:

Funny, it seems like yours is the only voice that seems to follow me around in this life, remember you are needed some where :wave:
Are you needed anywhere, AnthonyCea? I doubt it :)

Just tell us the real truth for once TOOT, this is never going to end unless I start my own private forum :D

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Tom does not want you taking your pills anymore Noppid...

I don't blame him for that :p :eek: :wave:

So in your opinion, any heated discussion should be censored or not allowed?

My golden rule is "attack the idea, not it's presenter". There's plenty of room for heated discussion in that context. There's a huge difference between saying "your idea sucks" vs. "you suck". I wouldn't actually use the word suck, but you get my drift. Discussions should be debated on the merit of the ideas presented, not on personalities. You can strongly disagree with someone's position on an issue and still like and respect the person. But if they personally attack you, respect goes out the window, and that relationship is poisoned.

My golden rule is "attack the idea, not it's presenter". There's plenty of room for heated discussion in that context. There's a huge difference between saying "your idea sucks" vs. "you suck". I wouldn't actually use the word suck, but you get my drift. Discussions should be debated on the merit of the ideas presented, not on personalities. You can strongly disagree with someone's position on an issue and still like and respect the person. But if they personally attack you, respect goes out the window, and that relationship is poisoned.

Very well said. At least someone is taking their meds! :D

;)

I completely agree with your statement Buffaloed, in fact what I do most of the time is post facts, articles, opinions and debate matters.

I have always found that the personal insults come into threads when someone can't provide a decent argument based on facts or is a weak debater on the issues.

When their ship starts sinking instead of dropping out of the debate they proceed to start insulting those who are in the debate.

I have never attacked a fellow poster unless they have attacked me first, I also have seen folks hold grudges who I have debated in the past and they always seem to bring the bad attitude to the next thread.

This happens quite a bit on the webmaster forum circuit and we are all too aware of it unfortunately.

Flame wars happen because of inflated egos that members have and the “I have to win every debate” attitude that exists in the minds of some folks.

I have said many times to people, that these are only threads, not life and death, but in the heat of the battle (debate) folks can get emotional and get carried away.

It gets old after a while but if folks want a forum war I am always willing to engage them since I am quite good at it.

I have a domain that I registered quite a while ago because of all the wars on the webmaster forum circuit. I am certainly going to put the forum up much sooner than I ever wanted to since folks seem to need a place to take their gripes about the forums they post on.

If anyone wants to partner with me on it let me know :)

www.webmasterforumwars.com

My golden rule is "attack the idea, not it's presenter". There's plenty of room for heated discussion in that context. There's a huge difference between saying "your idea sucks" vs. "you suck". I wouldn't actually use the word suck, but you get my drift. Discussions should be debated on the merit of the ideas presented, not on personalities. You can strongly disagree with someone's position on an issue and still like and respect the person. But if they personally attack you, respect goes out the window, and that relationship is poisoned.



Exactly!

A great example of this and many members here have seen it have been the debates between Minstrel and myself on Windows OS versus MAC and Linux. They were very bitter debates within the threads we were in together.

I have taken positions against Microsoft and do believe that there are better platforms available for desktop computing.

Minstrel and I have fought and debated back and fourth for the last year many times but remain friends and have respect for each other. The fact is that those threads were blockbuster threads and many issues and a lot of research was posted within the threads.

Our disagreement brought awareness and news to the forum that otherwise would not have been created. So members that disagree can add a hell of a lot of rich content to your forums.

We have agreed on few issues, now I am trying to convince him to switch his phpBB board over to vBulletin and it seems we do not agree on this either.

But that is not a reason to hate him or personally insult him because we have differences of opinions.

If anyone wants to partner with me on it let me know :)

www.webmasterforumwars.com (http://www.webmasterforumwars.com)

Just an observation here, Why dont you do something youself??? It seems you always need a partner or someone to hold your hand...

Do these partners need to supply the licences??? Oh and I bet they need to install the hacks and admin also, correct????

I just read some of the posts on this page....wow, guys and galls....

The kind of partners I am looking for are partners with money :D :wave:

I can buy the technology I need.

I am the one with the ideas and can carry out the master plan my man :D

BUM :rolleyes:

You have to have money to run a business and forums are a business my man :)

and you obviously dont have the money....earn it, I did, dont leach off others.

Yeah right now I am holding a sign that says, will work for web hosting :D :wave:

This is the song that never ends it's goes on and on and this is the song that never ends it goes on and on and this is the...

It is like a scratched record Noppid :) :wave: :D

Or an endless loop tape :cool: :wave:

you obviously dont have the money....earn it, I did, dont leach off others
Good philosophy, Keith, but sometimes it isn't a matter of personal choice. Pray you always have good luck and that economic and/or political decisions or even acts of God don't pull the floor out from under you. Sometimes **** happens... and when it does it can take quite a while to recover from it.

Making money online is not an easy chore, nor is building a forum that can provide a solid income, forums like SEW are owned by companies that have market capitalization of hundreds of millions of dollars.

So if a small operator is to compete with such giants, you will certainly need investors behind you to build a forum into a profitable enterprise.

Daniweb and some of the other operators of forums (WPW) have money behind them.

Wow, how busy a thread expands since gone... 4 pages. Hell, I'm impressed that this much dribble has come out. Good stuff.

Wow, how busy a thread expands since gone... 4 pages. Hell, I'm impressed that this much dribble has come out. Good stuff.


Surely you jest! :D

I agree Anthony, we have a crazy bunch here, content creating monsters :D

We all just put our best out there Anthony, that is all there is to it man :o

PS: Noppid, when I click on the last post icon, it takes me to the middle of the thread and not to the last post, what is up?

Making money online is not an easy chore, nor is building a forum that can provide a solid income, forums like SEW are owned by companies that have market capitalization of hundreds of millions of dollars.

So if a small operator is to compete with such giants, you will certainly need investors behind you to build a forum into a profitable enterprise.

Daniweb and some of the other operators of forums (WPW) have money behind them.


Money talks, but most times, despite that, the cream floats to the top.

Yeah, SEW had 3 members online last time I logged in, so in over a years time they are not pulling a large amount of members despite the giant site they have.

But they are in it for the long haul, they have the money to hang in there also.

PS: Noppid, when I click on the last post icon, it takes me to the middle of the thread and not to the last post, what is up?
I find that happens to me, too...

It is not the first time that this has happened to me on a vB forum Minstrel, must be a bug somewhere :confused:

See, I don't have a problem with anyone here except Minstrel, who, as I stated already, seems to get a fat over degrading others... which is pretty bold really, considering the man doesn't even perform marketing full time, nor has done, nor makes a living from it.

The problem started with this crap comment http://www.vbwebmaster.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3073&postcount=9 which is absolue ****, considering Pagerank has nothing to do with rankings. Next though, Minstrel, in all your wealth of online marketing experience, are you going to tell me that Google, Yahoo and MSN are all actually in cahoots and working together? I would expect something that stupid from you, just like your comment about Pagerank.

You talk about facts here, but here is Minstrels own words on this forum, "Anthony Parsons, I have no interest in proving anything to you". http://www.vbwebmaster.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3195&postcount=30

The reason for that is, is because you don't actually know what your 100% talking about when it comes to SEO, so therefor, you should just shutup and let the experts provide the advice, and not the amateurs, like yourself Minstrel. Eat that up mister smart arse who provides no substance or proof.

Sorry, but I am looking through all of Minstrels replies to anything I have said on this forum, and nothing, nada... not one ounce of proof, experience or expertise within his statements. All that he has done is give one line rubbish / nonsense... nothing factual, nor to provide any proof to back his opinion. Which comes back to my previous statement... Minstrel, you have no friggin idea about SEO so you should stop commenting upon it.

Ladies, we are all adults here, well, you all are...haha.

I think the anthony's are working together and are planning a hit on all people not enthralled into talking to spiders all day....

Anthony Parsons, with all due respect (which believe me by now is about zero), I don't need you to tell me what I know or don't know or what I can or cannot post. As much as my opinion of you is probably even lower than your opinion of me, I am trying for the good of this forum not to respond in kind.

If my presence here really bothers you that much, may I suggest you might be happier either not reading my posts or just going somewhere else? You are truly pathetic and frankly you are becoming extremely tiresome.

<ignore>everything Anthony Parsons has to say</ignore>

It is not the first time that this has happened to me on a vB forum Minstrel, must be a bug somewhere
Perhaps we should team up and talk Joey and noppid into going phpBB? :D

Hell we are trying to get you to switch Minstrel :)

Yeah right now I am holding a sign that says, will work for web hosting :D :wave:


ROFL! WHere do I get a sign like that?

I tell you what then Minstrel, you don't reply to anything I've said, and I won't to yours, regardless how much we despite one another, and regardless how stupid yours, or my posts are to one another. That sounds like a happy medium to me. If you reject, then I will just continue to bag you, and you me.

PS. <DISREGARD>Completely disregard anything Minstrel has to say with SEO, as he isn't even qualified in marketing, nor competent at SEO</DISREGARD>

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

lol you guys are worse than the kids on my forums :P

Anthony, judging from the crap you've posted in the past few days alone, I wouldn't hire you to optimize my driveway.

Where on earth you ever got the idea you were some sort of expert is beyond me.

Well, I take that as a no! So stupid, again, you've provided another half arsed statement with nothing more than insults. Though you continue to state otherwise. You obviously don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot, as I provided proof above off your attitude upon this forum, in friendly situations, and you've been nothing more than a cu*t. So ****lips, wake the fu*k up to yourself, or I will come and wake you up. Your only a quick plane flight away...

Ok Kids -- do we all feel better now?

How about we end all this fighting?

I stayed up to 4:30 AM to see this end this way.

Who installed the <ignore> <disregard> tags? You got hired help undercutting me Joe?

Wow, I can just feel the love here!

I would really love to hear a Psychological evaluation of this tread.

Didn't you see the post by Tom Cruise?

nope, dont think I did...Is that the one about the Jag core officer, na nevermind.

ROFL -- Tom is in on this now too?

nope, dont think I did...Is that the one about the Jag core officer, na nevermind.


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http://images2.deviantart.com/i/2003/51/9/0/Bunny_and_Pancake.jpg


I'm still laughing about the bunny! I love the bunny with a pancake on it's head!

ok well....
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MX I love Julia Roberts, I would pay to see that :p :wave:

Anthony, you have a great idea, but there should be a way for both of you to move on, you may not like each other (Since you both own SEO forums), but for the good of the forum here and for Joey's sake we have to find some middle ground.

I guess your idea of not talking to each other directly might be alright, maybe you should both give it a try for a while, I am sure Minstrel will go along with it if the personal attacks can stop for a while. Minstrel is not the bad guy that some folks make him out to be and if you guys hang in there you will find out that he is a great forum player.

Let it rest Anthony.

That last post of his (Anthony Parsons) goes beyond flaming or adolescent name-calling. In civilized nations, that's called uttering threats and it comes under the criminal code.

I suggest it be left intact. I think it and the other posts by Anthony Parsons leading up to it exposes him publicly and quite clearly for what he is.

I think it is less personal but a direct competitive thing that is going on, with both of you targeting the SEO forum business Minstrel.

I think you both should cool off, end the insults and move on because the world we live in (forum circuit) is much too small and both of you can be hurt should this continue.

Public relations damage for both of your businesses can result, as I mentioned we should all move on from this flame war for the good of both of you and your forums/businesses.

I think you both should cool off, end the insults and move on because the world we live in (forum circuit) is much too small and both of you can be hurt should this continue.
Nothing to cool off on my end, AC. I'm not even agitated by all this crap - just a combination of irritated and fascinated. I'm not responding in kind, as I said would be the case several posts back in this thread. I'm not name-calling. I'm just watching as Parsons completely loses it -- a fascinating study in decompensation.

I just ate three pancakes...funny photo man :D :wave:

I just ate three pancakes...funny photo man :D :wave:

I had about five bneers in me when I posted that. Then I sat here laughing at it for like 10 minutes.

I figured if I was that amused with myself, it was bedtime and put the light out. :wave:

bnoppids LIKE bneers... :D

bnoppids


A new spiecies?

Don't let them capture me to study me guys. Unless the testing includes bneers!

....sort of like making fun of your ex-girlfriends.......

You had to be ROFL like Joey does all the time because you went and double posted the photo twice, thankfully you were tired and went to bed, I imagine that you would have posted it another 20 times or so if you had a few shots of Whiskey :p :wave:

....sort of like making fun of your ex-girlfriends.......

You had to be ROFL like Joey does all the time because you went and double posted the photo twice, thankfully you were tired and went to bed, I imagine that you would have posted it another 20 times or so if you had a few shots of Whiskey :p :wave:

LMAO, yeah...I was close to quoting myself a second time when the reality hit me that I was sleep walking and punch.

http://www.scalr.com/images/fightclub.jpg
the first rule of fight club is...

Really man, we are just a bunch of good natured nice guys and gals here on VBW :D :) :wave:

Really man, we are just a bunch of good natured nice guys and gals here on VBW :D :) :wave: :wave:

Good to have you around, you will now have to do an introduction thread, if you have one drop us a link here, that will give you a lot of attention ;) :)

Good to have you around, you will now have to do an introduction thread, if you have one drop us a link here, that will give you a lot of attention ;) :)thankyou for the kind welcome; here's my introductory thread (http://www.vbwebmaster.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7024). :D
I'm eager to glean tips from others who've gone before me...

- Sid

You want to learn from those "flame warriors"?

OK, but not in your introduction thread :p :D

If you insist on calling um "flames" I'm installing a :gay: emoticon!

Hey man, I thought you had enough of all this internet stuff and were going to become Paul Bunyon and move out where there is no electric and live off the land?? :p

I knew it was all a bluff, we could not get rid of you with a ****ty mop Noppid :D :wave:

You know I lie about such things. But it just makes me feel good.

Did you get any hurricane?

Not here, it always hits Pensacola, gota feel for those folks.