help me with VBulletinForum.com & more

Well, I'm a fan of collecting domains, but I don't have the web savvy to make a site look really good. In my day, (I'm 28) I didn't even have computers in my highschool except for the library.

Anyway, I'm sitting on a bunch of really good domains which if developed could do quite well based on their names alone and or marketing potential. My "pitch" is for those who have the design/coding experience and want to add to their portfolio and/or see promise in these projects. I would provide the domain, lifetime hosting, and would share in admin duties/maintenence once the site is complete. You would design the site and get it off the ground. In turn, we would share 50/50 of any and all revenue the site generates for the life of the site (affiliate banners etc) Please contact me if you're interested in any of these projects.

Domains I own:

VBulletinForum.com: A VB community

AOEForum.com / AOE3Forums.com : Age of Empires III is coming soon from Microsoft.

DayofDefeatForums.com / DayofDefeatForum.com widely popular PC game. DOD: source is coming in september

Battlfield2forums.com: PC game title

TheDatingForum.com Social site

Nasdaqboard.com / NasdaqBoards.com : Nasdaq/stock investments discussion

NFLForum.ca / NFLForums.ca: Football fansite

I actually have a great deal more than these, if you're interested in the premise on one or more of these projects, please contact me with your portfolio and an idea of what you would do for the project.

cheers,

Kanadian

Hate to bust your bubble, but a site does not succeed on a cool domain name alone. In monetary terms, most would want a minimun of about $2000.00 for do the work you describe to garner some decent income. Income that would trickle in over a period of about one to two years. Then they have to split that with you. Breaking even would be difficult at best let alone turning any profit.

Good luck in your endeavor.

Hate to bust your bubble, but a site does not succeed on a cool domain name alone. In monetary terms, most would want a minimun of about $2000.00 for do the work you describe to garner some decent income. Income that would trickle in over a period of about one to two years. Then they have to split that with you. Breaking even would be difficult at best let alone turning any profit.

Good luck in your endeavor.

you're not busting anything actually. You're simply not someone who this sort of partnership appeals to is all. Most would want $2000? I'd had VB skins made up for $200 with some stellar work, are you saying that in lieu of charging for a skin and some basic mod installs no one out there would want to have part ownership of the site instead?

You're right about sites not flourishing from domains alone, but the richly targeted keywords in the domains I've provided certainly do help, not to mention the network of existing sites I already maintain as a networking/marketing channel.

"Income that would trickle in over a period of about one to two years. Then they have to split that with you. Breaking even would be difficult at best let alone turning any profit. "

I'm not entirely sure where you're pulling this from, perhaps previous experience? Let's assume perhaps you invest 50 hours into developing pokerproforum.com and it looks amazing and we were to launch it together..imagine.

Do you know how much the comission of a SINGLE new account for a lot of poker sites are these days? $150USD or more I know specific ones that offer $250. It doesn't take much to see where I'm going with that.

Hey, let's take another example: AOE3Forums.com, say it's developed, links are exhcanged with dozens of existing AOE fan sites...throw up an amazon.com affiliate link to purchase the game when it comes out and the community has grown?

Want another example? you want to know how much type in traffic VBulletinForum.com gets? Do you know how much comission is paid from sales of VB?

I run a forum with 1600 members...not much at all, but it is generating around $750/month in income, needless to say, not all 1600 members are active either.

What are your plans with VBulletinforum.com that would bring folks in versus them coming here or to the official site?

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/

How do you expect to compete, that is the million dollar question :confused:

It is difficult to draw good members that actually know what they are talking about to a new forum, especially one that is competing with official sites or other large boards that have been around!!

Want another example? you want to know how much type in traffic VBulletinForum.com gets? Do you know how much comission is paid from sales of VB?


I do - Do you?

Its not as much as you might think -

Wow. Like to gang up on the new guy, eh?

Q: "What are your plans with VBulletinforum.com that would bring folks in versus them coming here or to the official site?"

What would make folks drink pepsi over coke? Is that the mentality? If something is already there, what's the point in opening a new one, right?

'How do you expect to compete, that is the million dollar question"

Let me ask you something, what is the point of all the hyperlinks under your sig? There are thousands of sites on SEO, why would someone go to you? why did you open in the first place?

"It is difficult to draw good members that actually know what they are talking about to a new forum, especially one that is competing with official sites or other large boards that have been around!!"

Not from my experience it isn't. Depening on the niche you're referring to and the way in which it's marketed.

There are tons of VB targted forums/sites what made 531 people come here over vb.org? Variety, choice, and exposure. I could go into far more winded detail on how this works but I don't think your question was from genuine interest but rather an intent to discount the concept as a whole...besides, you picked just one of the names for some reason.

Joey said:

" do - Do you?

Its not as much as you might think "

Again this was just 1 tidbit example in the entire scheme of things and not something meant to be dwelled upon. Forget I mentioned the name VBulletinForum.com, it was one tiny fragment of the concept.

you guys are acting as if there isn't a soul out there with talent, and an interest in one of the topics listed. If I were passionate about the NFL for example, myself as an individual, I would much rather be a regular part of the site (part owner) than charge a single $500-1000 pop for it and no longer have involvement.

I am pretty sure I've outlined the plan fairly plainly for anyone to understand. If you're not interested, there isn't a need to waste any time....mine or yours. If your post is more of an attempt to attack me or the idea, please just don't bother. I've posted this exact same concept on other forums and haven't been getting a hard time of it at all.

You could also put a lot of work into the site and they could take the name away from you if they wanted to, so you better make sure they are going to give you permission before you move and build out a forum!!!

That is a Trademark and anytime they wish they can take you out!!!

So I would first work on getting permission from them before investing any money or effort into it!!

Lord almighty, can we drop the vbulletin thing please? It's one name on a list of nearly 70 that I have for development. Just nevermind, please move on.

Drop it then?

I thought this was the title and subject of the thread, listen we discuss things in detail here!!

That is what you wanted, correct?

What exactly are you looking for here?

Do you want folks to pay for the hosting and run the technical side of your forums and for what in return if someone here takes your offer?

could a mod delete this thread and my account please?

Drop it then?

I thought this was the title and subject of the thread, listen we discuss things in detail here!!

That is what you wanted, correct?


Where did you get the impression a help wanted thread wanted the concept picked apart with focous set on just 1 of dozens of possible projects?

Again, kindly delete this thread and my account. I'll leave you all be.

Come on man, this is a hard hitting forum for businessmen, you are welcome here and your ideas are welcome.

These are good guys, just answer simple questions without getting mad and address the questions that members ask of you and everything will be fine.

Can you show me a question I didn't answer?

you asked:

"Do you want folks to pay for the hosting and run the technical side of your forums and for what in return if someone here takes your offer?"

this clearly, clearly demonstrates you didn't fully read/understand my initial post. Please delete this mess and my account.

So in other words we should just take the fluff in your opening post and take it directly to the bank and deposit it without asking additional questions, right?

"So in other words we should just take the fluff in your opening post and take it directly to the bank and deposit it without asking additional questions, right?"


At this point, you are so far off base it really is pointless to continue. It would seem that you sir are the one losing their temper. I welcome questions, I was putting highlight on the fact that your questions in particular had been answered in my originating post.

How about a question like:

"Just to verify, ....is this what you mean?" (paraphrase to ensure a clear understanding)

but this isn't how it was handled. Would a mod kindly delete this thread?

At this point since you are such an idiot I agree with you!

Joey please grant this guy his wish and ban him, he is hopeless!!!

At this point since you are such an idiot I agree with you!

Joey please grant this guy his wish and ban him, he is hopeless!!!


perhaps you could back that up with specifics?

Anyone who asks in every post for a moderator to delete the thread then continues to post to it can't be all that bright, in addition you can not answer a simple question that is presented to you without getting mad.

No one needs members like you man, get it through your head!!!

Anyone who asks in every post for a moderator to delete the thread then continues to post to it can't be all that bright, in addition you can not answer a simple question that is presented to you without getting mad.

No one needs members like you man, get it through your head!!!


you've misunderstood me 110%

I'm sorry for upsetting you, I certainly haven't been the one to make it a personal issue as you've done so now with a personal attack on my intelligence.

I asked for my thread to be deleted in the name of harmony because it obviously upset a few folks. i've answered all of your questions without getting upset. I would think a person with experience with message boards such as yourself would know that not everything translates very well when just translated in text...yet, the use of excessive punctuation does typically depict escalation which is why I asked for this to be removed.

you've misunderstood me 110%

I'm sorry for upsetting you, I certainly haven't been the one to make it a personal issue as you've done so now with a personal attack on my intelligence.

I asked for my thread to be deleted in the name of harmony because it obviously upset a few folks. i've answered all of your questions without getting upset. I would think a person with experience with message boards such as yourself would know that not everything translates very well when just translated in text...yet, the use of excessive punctuation does typically depict escalation which is why I asked for this to be removed.

"No one needs members like you man, get it through your head!!!"

I can't even find what context this would've been pulled from, can you show me where I stated otherwise?

Listen man, if you just came here to get free advertising or to self promote your business plan then you are going to upset folks more than you think.

You don't decide what get deleted around here, but if you continue to post with your current style I am sure that you will be banned.

So if you want to make friends here instead of enemies I would tell you to cool it, don't come here just to self promote your ideas, contribute a while to other threads and get to know a few folks first.

Don't be such a hot head and think that folks are in tune with your every word, Noppid told you that it costs money for someone to do what you are asking ($2,000.00 as an opening figure), so if you want to get serious, do that, if you want to play games with the members here you will not last long. If you cool your jets maybe someone will see you as a worthy partner and work with you, but the way you are responding here tells everyone that you would make a terrible partner, no one wants to work with a hot head because they are not good partners.

Make your decision and quit telling us how to run the show or post!!!!

Learn a lesson or just leave with your bag of self promotion, OK!!

"Listen man, if you just came here to get free advertising or to self promote your business plan then you are going to upset folks more than you think"

It was no more of an advertisement than anyone else seeking help with their project, it's just different from others.


"You don't decide what get deleted around here"

No I don't. This is why I made the request. I asked if it could be done, whether or not it's actually done obviously is not up to me.

"
Make your decision and quit telling us how to run the show or post!!!!"

Sorry if it came off that way. I didn't ever actually instruct anyone or hint that I could/would "run the show" for anyone here.

Then just cool it like I told you and answer questions that are presented to you!

Real simple to do, no reason to get upset if a member is not hanging on every word in the thread or missed a statement you made!!

I am answering all questions though, I really don't understand where you're coming from saying I haven't. What quesitons can i answer for you?

We were discussing VBulletinForum.com and you got upset and wanted to start discussing every other option you had in your portfolio.

I have 400 domains www.internetnamebank.com, should I ask members to discuss all 400 domains and their development all at once too? :confused:

"should I ask members to discuss all 400 domains and their development all at once too?"

I would think 400 projects would be spreading yourself too thinly. See, to me, I could easily pay for someone to put work into the site, but if there is someone who has a real honest interest in the topic lets say 'ComputerGameSite.com" and they really loved computer games and saw potential in it's development then that person would be far more likely to really put forth their best effort in the design of the site, knowing that it would be there own. Also, it makes more sense to have a partner around who is familiar with the web side of things so everytime something small comes up like changing banner rotations, you're not having to hire someone else...this is something I currently have to do with 4 of my sites.

"We were discussing VBulletinForum.com and you got upset and wanted to start discussing every other option you had in your portfolio."

Sorry, what I meant was to stress that if there wasn't interest in doing any development with that particular name, that there were many others on the list to consider.


ps if any of your 400 names are poker related I'd be interested in knowing them.

Well like I mentioned, just hang around and learn from and contribute to the threads here.

You never know, maybe someone will work with you, I have found good and bad partners from the forum members I have met.

Most of them are duds that expect to make a quick buck, website development is a lot of work as Noppid mentioned and folks are looking to partner with someone who has done it before.

To do this you have to build trust and friendships and you have not done that yet, that takes time, if you are not willing to invest the time developing relationships no one will work with you!

PS: I have no poker names, but it is a hot area on the net!

Someone contacting me with an interest in the concept would be of course a cornerstone of developing a new relationship. I have 2 sites which have been developed with this notion and they are running smoothly so far, trust is an important part of a business indeed, but there are ways to run a site together without knowing eachother for years too.

Example, let's say we decide to split any ad revenue 50/50...you could simply do this by having half the banners in rotation be your personally selected affiliate banners which are paid to accounts of yours etc, that at least would be a foundation.

"To do this you have to build trust and friendships and you have not done that yet"

Not specifically here, no you're right. I should've started this all with more of a "let me toss this idea past you and see what you think" kind of tone.

"if you are not willing to invest the time developing relationships no one will work with you!"

100% correct. Anyone who feels otherwise will never suceed in anything they do.

If you have a domain making $750. a month. Buy a vBulletin for one domain, $85.00. Buy a skin, 30$ or pay for custom CSS work, $125. You say you have hosting and affilliates and advertisiers.

If this is such a great idea, why don't you throw the $240. at the project and keep all the profit?

Then you'd have two $750. a month domains and the rest should come easy and be all your's, right?

I wish you luck, but your plan is based on the idea your domains are great. I think they are worth about $5. each. So my point is, anyone with the experience and time you are asking for at a 50-50 split is gonna do it themselves.

I have a forum (active site) with 1600 members generating $750/month and every cent of that income gets rolled into expanding at the moment. It's not a domain alone generating 750.

"I wish you luck, but your plan is based on the idea your domains are great"

Only a small portion of the plan is aided by the fact that the names are marketable that isn't the end all be all of the concept.

"I think they are worth about $5."

Well, obviously it would depend on the buyer and their needs. For a cycle enthusiast like yourself, likely wouldn't have any interest in the domains, but I assure you they are worth a lot both for their targeted keywords and implied value upon development:

as for vbulletinforum.com being worth $5, I assure you from the auction from which I obtained it, there are many who would disagree, the same goes for most all the domains I listed, like NFLForum.ca/NFLForums.ca is a package which I was offered (and turned down) $600 for.

"anyone with the experience and time you are asking for at a 50-50 split is gonna do it themselves."

That could be true, and this "pitch" won't appeal to those people. I certainly wouldn't or couldn't twist anyones arm to do otherwise, but again, I've had sites developed with this exact notion already and they are running smoothly so far..so there are talented folks out there who still think two heads are better than 1 when it comes to setting your eyes on the prize.

Some of those domains could have Trademark issues and could result in loss of the domain - (such as NFLFORUM and NasdaqBoards)

Honestly - I think the reason you've been 'jumped on' is because you invested $10 in a domain name and want someone else to invest everything else for a 50/50 split.

Why would I do that?

Why wouldn't I just register NFL-FORUM.com or NFL-Forums.com and do it myself, and keep 100%? What do I need you and your domain for?

I'm not being mean - I'm being realistic. I think most who know how to build and market web sites would feel your trying to take advantage of them, risk nothing, and land a big payday.

By the way - "NFL Forums" is searched for 4 times a day according to wordtracker. There is an NFLforum.com already and they have all of 48 members.

"Nasdaq Boards" is not searched for at all.

"VBulletin Forum" has almost 7 million results in Google which is tough to get good rankings on (and this site ranks #3 for that phrase by the way) and its searched for 13 times a day.

Basically, I just explained why those 3 domains are just about worthless to me. I'm not going to research your others for you. You need to do your own homework.

Oh - and I don't delete threads just cause the author doesn't like what others have said to him. Sorry. My advice to you - instead of running away - stay and try to learn something because we all actually have something of a clue believe it or not.