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AnthonyCea
09-21-2005, 06:42 PM
By Jonathan Thaw
Bloomberg News www.bloomberg.com

Google Inc., the most-used Internet search engine, may consider making a bid for America Online to keep the company from switching to Microsoft Corp.'s search technology, a Merrill Lynch & Co. analyst said.
America Online, the world's biggest Internet access provider, may replace Google's search engine with a product from Microsoft, a person familiar with the matter said Thursday. Microsoft also is considering taking a stake in America Online, a unit of Time Warner Inc., the person said.
Google, based in Mountain View, Calif., receives 12 percent of its sales from advertising and other fees generated by America Online. It may make a bid to preserve that income, Merrill's Lauren Rich Fine wrote in a note to clients Friday. Losing AOL as a client would cut Google's earnings per share by 5 percent to 10 percent, she said.
"This would certainly protect Google's revenues from AOL," Fine wrote in the report. She rates Google shares "neutral." A Google-AOL deal also may help Google gain content, she said.
"As a public company, we can't ever comment on rumors about acquisitions or potential investments," Google spokesman Michael Mayzel said. AOL spokesman John Buckley declined to comment. Merrill Lynch spokeswoman Carrie Gray said Fine wasn't available to comment on the report.
Google can fend off Microsoft founder Bill Gates without purchasing AOL, Jeff Matthews, general partner at Ram Partners in Greenwich, Conn., said in an e-mail. Ram Partners manages more than $25 million, including Google shares.
"They are thwarting him every day just by out-innovating" Microsoft, Matthews said. "These guys have bought cool new technology. They have not bought legacy platforms such as AOL just to keep market share."
Google raised $4.18 billion on Sept. 14 in a follow-on stock sale, cash the company may use to make acquisitions and develop new products.
America Online is worth about $15 billion to $20 billion, said Richard Greenfield, a Fulcrum Global Partners analyst in New York. He said many analysts value it at less than $10 billion.
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. analyst Anthony Noto estimates America Online contributed 4 percent to 7 percent of Google's earnings per share in the first half of 2005. New York-based Noto, who rates Google shares "outperform," said in a report Friday that AOL's contribution to Google's profits is declining every quarter.
AOL first started using Google's search technology in May 2002. Under the agreement, AOL displays ads sold by Google and the companies share revenue generated when users click on the ads.
AOL, which has lost 6 million dial-up subscribers since 2002, this year added a free Web site with videos, news and a search engine powered by Google. The new site puts AOL into more direct competition with Yahoo and Microsoft's MSN, which also offer online content and search services.
"They're trying to reinvent themselves," said Marcel Nienhuis, an analyst at Radicati Group Inc., a market researcher in Palo Alto, Calif. "Compared to Google, Yahoo and Microsoft, they have the perception of being a little bit behind."
A Microsoft-AOL combination would bolster both companies' user counts and range of Web content, heightening competition for Google and Yahoo, Fine said.
Google had 80.4 million unique U.S. visitors in August, according to New York-based Nielsen//NetRatings, which tracks Web use. Microsoft's MSN service had 92.1 million, and AOL had 75.7 million. Yahoo had the most visitors with 101.3 million.

Joeychgo
09-21-2005, 09:06 PM
IM hoping MSN gets it - that gives them a leg up and really makes a race of things.

Noppid
09-21-2005, 09:10 PM
Can you say hostile takeover?

This will get interesting.

Joeychgo
09-22-2005, 01:11 AM
Im hoping so - cause while these 2 battle things out - Yahoo can focus more on being a better SE. I really want to see a strong 3 way competition.

AnthonyCea
09-22-2005, 02:45 AM
It will be a simple bidding war, Richard Parsons (AOL CEO) moved up after Time Warner dumped Steve Case for engineering the largest corporate merger failure in history is a very smart man and is going to get top dollar out of this dud (AOL) now!!!!

Gates will find a way to outbid Google on this one :eek:

Noppid
09-22-2005, 05:21 AM
Gates could buy google in a hostile takeover I bet. I think there are other plans of distraction at play here. Google just is not as cash strong as MS.

Joeychgo
09-22-2005, 11:10 AM
I dont think microsoft would escape the scrutiny of trying to take over google - the anti trust people would flip.

AnthonyCea
09-22-2005, 04:36 PM
The deal here is the way Larry and Sergey set up the company, the public shares have little voting power, so even in the event of a hostile take over the buyer of the class of stock Google offered to the public has 1/10th of the voting power of the insiders shares.

Larry & Sergey control the company and set these dual class shares just for this reason, so no one could take control of Google without both of them agreeing with it!

If you read the Google SEC documents you will see two classes of stock with insiders shares holding full voting power and the class sold to the public hold little voting power!

Noppid
09-22-2005, 05:54 PM
I dont think microsoft would escape the scrutiny of trying to take over google - the anti trust people would flip.

It was not suggesting they would. I was pointing out google does not have the cash to play hostile takeover with Bill. But this is cannon fotther IMO. They are creating a distration for another strategy. No one forcasts such a purchase.

Joeychgo
09-23-2005, 02:49 PM
Time Warner Head Says AOL Is the Company's Future (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/22/business/media/22warner.html?ex=1128052800&en=a062f077b3a4c461&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVERNEWS)

Snippets from the article...

Time Warner's recently disclosed discussions with Microsoft (http://www.nytimes.com/redirect/marketwatch/redirect.ctx?MW=http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companyprofile.asp&symb=MSFT) about a potential partnership between AOL and the MSN online business suggests more change may lie ahead.



AOL's strategy of offering a free Web portal, unveiled earlier this year, is aimed at attracting audiences and advertisers to compete with Google and Yahoo. AOL has been in discussions with both companies as well as Microsoft about potential partnerships that could step up that effort.



Mr. Parsons would not comment specifically on what shape a partnership between AOL and Microsoft or one of the other portals might take, but he did note that AOL also lacked the overseas presence that Google and Yahoo possess.


See: Time Warner Head Says AOL Is the Company's Future (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/22/business/media/22warner.html?ex=1128052800&en=a062f077b3a4c461&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVERNEWS)

AnthonyCea
09-23-2005, 06:30 PM
With Carl Icann as a shareholder at Time Warner forcing change, look for Time Warner to unload this AOL unit to the highest bidder (Google or Microsoft).

They both have the money to bid this thing to the sky and that is exactly what Richard Parsons is looking for!!

Ted Turner is Time Warner's largest shareholder and lost Billions when he went along with Steve Case's idea of merging AOL and Time Warner. He was the one that forced Steve Case out as CEO after that largest disaster in American corporate history!!

minstrel
09-24-2005, 09:43 AM
while these 2 battle things out - Yahoo can focus more on being a better SE

Oh Yahoo! Why dost thou sucketh?
Maybe Google can buy AOL, stick it in the same box as DMOZ, and leave both of them at the curb for the next garbage pickup :D

Seriously, though, having just installed AOL again recently for my girlfriend and her daughters, I can see why people new to the net or technologically challenged like the service. It may be slow, cumbersome, balky, etc., but it gets them where they want to go with a user friendly interface and while their email filtering annoys many newsletter owners they do a fair job of reducing the amount of crap that ends up in the "You've Got Mail!" boxes...

AnthonyCea
09-24-2005, 10:23 AM
Look for big changes at DMOZ if this deal happens, Microsoft or Google will make changes as we have wished for Minstrel :D :wave:

If anyone is interested, AOL is now a portal, this is why Google and Microsoft want them in addition to the ISP business, both want the search engine market share and DMOZ for that matter :eek:

See their new home page www.AOL.com

Look at this copy at the bottom of their index page cut and pasted below!!

America Online connects you to the world of information you are looking for online. AOL is a web portal that provides a variety of custom content on top of linking you to relevant information available on the Internet.

Whether you are looking to listen to music or download AIM – AOL has the resources you need. Search for the latest world news, download ringtones and sign up for free email. AOL – we are your partner for searching the web.

minstrel
09-24-2005, 11:30 AM
Yeah. That's why my gf and her daughters like it... the portal aspect plus the anti-spam and antivirus features.

AnthonyCea
09-24-2005, 11:43 AM
If Time Warner does not sell AOL to Google or Microsoft they could build the portal on their own, the problem they have is they are only known here in the USA, outside of the USA they are nothing.

They have been investing millions in their search engine, making deals with search technology companies to improve their local search function, but their investors are pushing Richard Parsons to improve shareholder value quickly after the failed AOL/Time Warner merger since they lost Billions.

So you could see him sell off part of AOL to the highest bidder real quick because of this!!

minstrel
09-24-2005, 11:51 AM
the problem they have is they are only known here in the USA, outside of the USA they are nothing
Actually, they are more popular than you might realize in Canada. You might be surprised to see how many commercial apps come bundled with the option to install AOL Canada.

AnthonyCea
09-24-2005, 12:15 PM
Well Canada is our 51st State Minstrel :D :eek:

minstrel
09-24-2005, 12:27 PM
Yeah you wish :rolleyes:

And don't even THINK about asking for more oil or electricity or water until you settle the "free trade" disputes on softwood lumber and beef :mad:

AnthonyCea
09-24-2005, 12:42 PM
We want your lumber and beef, the beef must be safer than American beef, we were the one's sending the bad feed to you!!

The reason we sent it up there is because we don't want the competition after the nations of the world banned importation of USA beef :eek:

I would like free trade, we have it with Mexico as we let as many Mexican workers over the border daily to fill low wage construction jobs, the construction companies are in bed with the government here to let in as many as possible!!

Free trade with you guys would be great, I love Canadian beer, but Budweiser and Miller don't want to let it in the gates :mad:

Joeychgo
09-24-2005, 10:52 PM
Lol -

AnthonyCea
09-25-2005, 05:37 PM
Yeah, that Minstrel guy is really funny :rolleyes: :p :wave: